Excessive waiting time for psychotherapy
Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group received 2 coroners' reports about this hazard between 4 Jun 2018 and 12 Feb 2019.
They came from 2 different coroners. A similar concern was raised again 1 time after the first warning.
No published response from Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group was found for the earlier reports.
The story, report by report
Spacing grows with the time between reports.
“The Inquest heard that the target time for an appointment for CBT should be 6 weeks. At the time Mr [name redacted] was referred, the waiting time was 12 months.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ No published response from Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group was found for this report.
- 8 months laterClosely relatedConfidence 0.80 · moderatea different coroner
“A target waiting list of 18 weeks is far too long but | was told that this was a funding issue.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ Repeated from the earlier report:targetwaitingweeks
Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group responded, stating 5 specific actions.Response (PDF) ↗
“The CCG is formally monitoring the impact of this investment through regular Safer Staffing Reports presented to the Pennine Care Quality Group. Reports from staff on the Tameside wards and the latest CQC report indicate that this is having a positive impact.”
“The reviewing team are using this information alongside an exploration of alternative models of care to develop a new model of psychological therapy for people with complex mental health needs in Tameside and Glossop. This review will conclude by the 31 of July 2019.”
Stated timescale: 31 July 2019
Web search (Tavily): No evidence found either way
Quality Standards for Psychological Therapies Services ↗3 more stated actions in the Promises tab.
- All reports to Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group
Each row is one judged link between an earlier and a later report. Open a row to read both quotes, found word for word in the originals.
2018 → 2019Heather Carey8 months after John Derwent · different coronerClosely relatedConfidence 0.80 · moderate
Closely relatedConfidence 0.80 · moderateBoth reports highlight excessively long waiting times for cognitive behavioural therapy/psychotherapy as a serious safety concern. The earlier report attributes the delay to insufficient service capacity, while the later report cites funding limitations as the cause.
John Derwent · 4 Jun 2018
“The Inquest heard that the target time for an appointment for CBT should be 6 weeks. At the time Mr [name redacted] was referred, the waiting time was 12 months.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ Heather Carey · 12 Feb 2019
“A target waiting list of 18 weeks is far too long but | was told that this was a funding issue.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗
No published response from Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group was found for this report.
Stated action
“The CCG is formally monitoring the impact of this investment through regular Safer Staffing Reports presented to the Pennine Care Quality Group. Reports from staff on the Tameside wards and the latest CQC report indicate that this is having a positive impact.”
Stated action · timescale: 31 July 2019
“The reviewing team are using this information alongside an exploration of alternative models of care to develop a new model of psychological therapy for people with complex mental health needs in Tameside and Glossop. This review will conclude by the 31 of July 2019.”
What happened next: No evidence found either way
The promised review was expected to conclude by 31 July 2019, but no source confirms it was completed or published by that date.
“This document can be downloaded from our website.”
“Administration and Policy in Mental Health · 2024-05-11 · 52(1):210-222”
No evidence found does not mean the action did not happen.
Stated action · timescale: 2021
“An additional £271,000 agreed in 2018/19 will be increased by an additional £673,000 per annum by 2021 to meet a range of pressures.”
Stated action
“the CCG is advised that due to actions taken internally the current waiting times for the service have improved, with a current waiting time for Cognitive Analytical Therapy of 13 weeks.”
Stated action
“have asked the Secondary Care Psychological Therapy Service to ensure that that when people are advised about the waiting times that they are supported to work with their care coordinator for stabilisation, containment and pre therapy work in preparation for therapy to ensure that they do not suffer the distress and despair that Ms [name redacted] family state that Ms [name redacted] experienced and evidenced by her tragic death”
- Each report's concerns were extracted by Nemotron 3 Nano on Nebius Token Factory, each with a quote copied from the report.
- Concerns from reports to Tameside and Glossop Clinical Commissioning Group at least six months apart were compared by meaning (Qwen3 embeddings) and wording (TF-IDF).
- The closest pairs were judged by Nemotron 3 Super with reasoning on. Only identical or closely related, with confidence of at least 0.70, are shown.
- Every quote was checked by code as an exact substring of the original text. Names of staff and family are redacted, and the deceased are named by report title only.
| Link | Meaning | Wording | Judge | Coroner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2018 → 2019 | 0.71 | 0.25 | Closely related · 0.80 | different |
Judge model: nvidia/nemotron-3-super-120b-a12b. How Nemotron did the work · Full methodology.
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